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- TidBITS#142/14-Sep-92
- =====================
-
- Gobs of great stuff this week, including a report on the just-
- released Performas! Also (deep breath), a bug in Internet email
- on CompuServe, news about Apple discontinuing more items, an
- upgrade for PowerPort/V.32 owners, a report from France about
- the new 4D, news about who will repair DataFrame hard disks,
- how to really do customer service, and finally, lower prices on
- Macs and a package of fonts from Apple!
-
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- Topics:
- MailBITS/14-Sep-92
- CompuServe Email Bug
- Apple Discontinues Tape Cartridge
- PowerPort Upgrade
- 4D Goes Server
- Service Done Right?
- SuperMac & DriveSavers
- Hot Spiced Apples
- More Apple News
- Reviews/14-Sep-92
-
- [Archived as /info-mac/digest/tb/tidbits-142.etx; 28K]
-
-
- MailBITS/14-Sep-92
- ------------------
- Ramon M. Felciano, Associate Director of Stanford University
- Medical Media and Information Technologies, writes in regard to
- Rob Managan's suggestion in TidBITS#139 for using Morph to animate
- scientific simulations, "Our research lab develops and does
- research on academic courseware in medicine. One of the biggest
- challenges is developing high quality animations for inclusion in
- the software. To date, we've resorted to conventional techniques:
- having our medical illustrator draw the images, then scan them in
- and animate. We tried using Freehand, which allows you to blend
- one image into another, but, ironically, it was too difficult to
- draw "freehand" to get the same image quality. We're hoping Morph
- will solve this problem!"
-
- Information from:
- Ramon M. Felciano -- felciano@camis.stanford.edu
-
-
- Symantec Stamps
-
- Allan Bloom writes:
-
- Folks, this is too yummy to keep to myself. I read in a recent
- Macworld that Norton Utilities 2.0 had problems with "certain"
- accelerator cards and that one should contact Symantec for a fix.
- If one had a problem. Leslye's goosed Mac II (DayStar 40 MHz
- PowerCache and FPU) has been going kablooie of late, for no more
- reason than usual, so I dropped NORTON.TECH at AppleLink a note.
- Mike said they'd send the update. Independent of whether I had
- even the slightest inkling that it was Norton instead of Leslye
- causing the kablooies.
-
- A FedEx arrived yesterday with the complete set of Norton 2.0
- disks. Being a proper dolt, I looked at the contents. Hmm. Same
- version (2.0). Same date (Monday, April 20). Did they send me what
- I already have? I dropped another note. No, you silly goose. Look
- at the time stamp on each file. Sure nuff, my originals were
- created at 2:01 PM. This new set was created at 2:03 PM. Mike
- thought it should have been 2:02 PM. They snuck a new one in on
- him. That makes the new disks two generations newer.
-
- Is this a hoot or what? Symantec is using the time stamp for
- incremental upgrades instead of changing the version number/date.
- Leslye's response was her ingenuous smile and a "We don't admit
- our errors, do we?"
-
- I dunno, Symantec, do we?
-
- Information from:
- Allan M. Bloom -- irbloom@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
-
-
- CompuServe Email Bug
- --------------------
- Ric Ford reported on ZiffNet/Mac that Navigator has recently
- (since about the end of August) stopped replying correctly to
- messages from the Internet. The problem, when we checked and as
- Mike O'Connor, Navigator's author, confirmed, stems from
- CompuServe not including the initial ">" at the beginning of the
- Internet address. Without that character prefixing the address
- (see TidBITS#141 for the gory details of Internet/CompuServe
- connections), the mail never gets out of CompuServe.
-
- Both the blame and the responsibility for a fix lie with
- CompuServe because as Ric said, Navigator hasn't suddenly changed
- overnight. In addition, in my tests CIM 2.0.1 seems to suffer the
- same problem, although I didn't check a normal terminal session.
- The only workaround in the meantime is creating a new message with
- the proper address format. Sorry about that, folks.
-
- Information from:
- Ric Ford -- 72511.44@compuserve.com
- Mike O'Connor -- 76004.1447@compuserve.com
-
-
- Apple Discontinues Tape Cartridge
- ---------------------------------
- by Mark H. Anbinder, Contributing Editor
-
- Apple seems to be doing its spring cleaning a little late,
- removing from its product lists the various obsolete products that
- have hung around for a while. The latest "victim" is the tape
- cartridge for Apple's Tape Backup 40SC (the drive itself was
- discontinued long ago). The tape cartridge, Apple product number
- M0132, will be removed from price lists this month. Those users
- who have stuck by their Tape Backup 40SC drives should still be
- able to purchase compatible DC600 cartridges made by companies
- such as Sony and 3M.
-
- While the software that came with the Tape Backup 40SC is not
- compatible with System 7, Apple recommends that users continue to
- use the drive with System 6, or purchase the Retrospect backup
- software published by Dantz. Retrospect works perfectly with
- Apple's drive, even under System 7, and in fact is much faster at
- its job than the original Apple software.
-
- Dantz Development -- 510/849-0293 -- 510/849-1708 fax
-
-
- PowerPort Upgrade
- -----------------
- We've heard from Global Village that until 22-Sep-92 you can
- upgrade an original PowerPort/V.32 modem to a brand new
- PowerPort/Gold for $399. That's a pretty good price considering
- the PowerPort/Gold runs about $630 mail order. Since the modems
- are completely different units though (the PowerPort/Gold doesn't
- have the external piece) you'll actually get a new modem. The main
- difference, apart from the PowerPort/Gold's entirely internal
- installation, is that the PowerPort/Gold is a v.32bis modem,
- whereas the PowerPort/V.32 only supports up to v.32. When talking
- to another v.32bis modem, the PowerPort/Gold can reach 14,400 bps
- in comparison with the PowerPort/V.32's 9,600 bps.
-
- Here's the good part. You don't have to send back your old
- PowerPort/V.32, so you can install it in another PowerBook or sell
- it, whichever you wish. If you do this, you can call Global
- Village and transfer the registration, at which point the warranty
- remains valid and that buyer can get the new version of Global
- Village's software for free. Pretty neat, eh?
-
- Global Village -- 415/390-8200 -- 415/390-8282 (fax)
- GLOBALVILL@aol.com -- GLOBALVILLAG@applelink.apple.com
-
-
- 4D Goes Server
- --------------
- by Jean-Philippe G. Nicaise -- nicky@etca.fr
-
- For a change the hot news comes from France. The first
- International Development Conference of ACI (known in the US as
- ACIUS) held in Paris provided the (final?) announcement of the
- next version of 4th Dimension and of the long-awaited 4D Server.
-
- Warning: US and International 4D version numbers are two less than
- the French one. So 4D version 5 in France equals 4D version 3 for
- the US and International markets. Sorry for the confusion - blame
- ACI (ACIUS).
-
- After seven years ACI has outfitted itself with new clothes in the
- form of a new company logo (it looks like an "ex-libris," an old
- seal of a 12th century publisher), a new 4D logo (no more
- impossible 4, sigh), and new boxes.
-
- On to the technical stuff. 4D Server is a normal application that
- runs on a dedicated Macintosh and serves data to 4D Client
- applications located on other Macs in your network. No more file
- sharing! And it looks fast - 15 clients is a piece of cake, even
- with a LocalTalk network. Check your favorite Mac magazine for
- benchmarks in a few months - I'm sure they will have them soon.
-
- 4D Server can also serve structures and modules, which means that
- multiple people can modify the structure of the database while
- other people use it. If you use modules such as 4D-Write or 4D-
- Calc the server will transfer them to the client's RAM, presumably
- speeding execution and reducing network traffic. The client is
- intelligent enough to keep the module in memory in case you need
- it later, further increasing speed and reducing traffic.
-
- 4D Server handles multiprocessing so what you did with 4D before
- can be considered as one process. One (and only one) window is
- attached to a process, but you can have as many processes as you
- want. This enables you, for instance, to build floating windows.
-
- With 4D Backup you gain access to better security. 4D Server
- creates a log file containing all modifications of your database.
- If your data file crashes, if you accidentally delete 10,000
- records, or if your dog unplugs your server, the log file will
- save your life. Security maniacs will be able to feed another Mac
- server with the log file every hour (or even more often) to keep a
- complete logical mirror of the database. They can use that backup
- immediately if something happens to the main server.
-
- 4D version 5 includes all the features of 4D Server (speed
- increases, multiprocessing capabilities, and the security log
- file) but is only single-user. New versions of 4D Compiler, 4D-
- XREF, and 4D Mover are also available.
-
- ACI has copy-protected 4D Server with an ADB dongle on the Mac
- server. Three clients means three simultaneous people working on
- the server, but you can have more than three Macs which holds the
- client application. 4D version 5 asks for the key disk only at
- installation, so PowerBook users can now travel without their 4D
- key disks.
-
- ACI will release 4D version 5 by the end of September and the
- Server by mid-October. Here's a rundown of the pricing:
-
-
- 4D Server prices
- 3 clients 9 000 FF (French Francs) $1,495 US
- 6 clients 15 000 FF (2 000 x 3) $2,495 US
- 10 clients 21 000 FF (1 500 x 4) $3,495 US
- 15 clients 27 000 FF (1 200 x 5) $4,495 US
- 20 clients 33 000 FF (1 200 x 5) $5,495 US
- 50 clients 69 000 FF $11,495 US
- unlimited 75 000 FF $15,000 US
-
-
- Upgrades from 4D version 4 to 4D Server:
- 4D v4 to 4D Server: 4D Server, 3 clients, 50% discount
- 4D v4 Runtime to 4D Server: 4D Server, n clients, 50% discount
-
-
- Single-user prices
- 4D v5 new 6 200 FF $895 US
- upgrade 1 400 FF $195 US
-
- Compiler v2 6 000 FF $1,000 US
-
- 4D v5 Runtime 1 200 FF $195 US
- Runtime x 4 3 600 FF $595 US
- upgrade 150 FF $25 US
-
- Information from:
- ACI propaganda
- Golden (French Mac magazine), #7 -- Oct/Nov-92
-
-
- Service Done Right?
- -------------------
- by Mark H. Anbinder, Contributing Editor
-
- I may be talking a lot about non-Apple computer companies, but to
- be frank, my attention isn't focused solely on Apple, and I
- suspect neither is yours. Today I'd like to tell you about three
- guarantees made by Dell for purchasers of its MS-DOS-compatible
- desktop and notebook computers.
-
- Dell guarantees that if you call for tech support during operating
- hours (which are 6:00 AM until midnight, Central time), you will
- be able to speak with a technical specialist within five minutes.
- If you choose not to hold even that long, they guarantee a
- callback within one hour. If you don't get someone within five
- minutes and a specialist doesn't call back within an hour, they'll
- give you a check for $25, or a $25 credit towards your next
- purchase.
-
- They also guarantee that, if there's a hardware failure on your
- system while it's covered by a Dell service contract, and you
- notify them by 5:00 PM central time, a technician will arrive to
- address the problem by the end of the next business day.
-
- Most impressively, if you encounter a compatibility problem with
- your Dell computer within three years after the original purchase,
- they will work with you to identify the cause of the problem, and
- if it can be solved by updating your system, they will provide the
- change at no charge. (This assumes that the incompatible product
- is something that was designed to be compatible with comparably-
- equipped systems of the same vintage.) If they can't get it
- working, they'll even let you return the machine for a refund
- (depreciated over time, of course).
-
- Now, I haven't reproduced all of the fine print above (such as the
- fact that the guarantees apply only within the U.S.), so if you're
- interested in Dell's guarantees, give them a call. However, I
- thought it was worth looking at the level of support being offered
- by some computer companies in the world of bad-reputation clones.
- Dell itself doesn't have a bad reputation, but they certainly will
- make it difficult for less-dedicated clone manufacturers to hold
- onto their market share. At the same time, if Dell is actually
- making good on all of their promises, they would be a good role
- model for some companies you and I work with.
-
- Another new idea comes from Compaq, the company Dell set out to
- undercut long ago. Compaq just introduced RemotePAQ, a custom
- software program that works much like Carbon Copy or Timbuktu,
- allowing a tech support person to actually see a user's screen.
- Compaq will ship RemotePAQ with all machines it manufactures, and
- the service comes completely free, although you need a modem. All
- you do is boot the PC with a special diagnostic diskette and
- select "Prepare the System for COMPAQ Service Call" from the main
- menu. A Compaq tech support person can then call in and remotely
- run diagnostic programs, retrieve files for testing, or send new
- files, such as software updates or patches. For anyone who has
- tried to walk a novice through a complex process over the phone,
- the utility is obvious.
-
- Dell -- 800/433-2792
-
-
- SuperMac & DriveSavers
- ----------------------
- by Mark H. Anbinder, Contributing Editor
-
- Last month, SuperMac Technology and DriveSavers announced that
- DriveSavers has assumed all service obligations for SuperMac's
- discontinued line of mass storage products, including the entire
- series of DataFrame and LaserFrame drives. DriveSavers will honor
- existing warranties on SuperMac products, as well as provide users
- with the latest DataFrame Manager software.
-
- Owners of SuperMac storage products who require service for their
- drives, in or out of warranty, should call DriveSavers at
- 415/883-4232. The company will perform authorized in-warranty
- repairs for U.S. and Canadian customers within 72 hours of
- receiving the drives. DriveSavers has established its reputation
- in the industry by repairing a wide range of third-party storage
- devices and recovering data from damaged drives when commercial
- recovery software fails.
-
- Current owners of DataFrame hard drives should also be aware that
- the Manager 4.2 software has a deficiency that makes using it with
- System 7 slightly tricky. In order to use a DataFrame hard drive
- with System 7, users must reformat their drives using Manager 4.1,
- and then use Manager 4.2 to update the SCSI driver stored on the
- drive. Drives formatted with Manager 4.2 may not work properly.
- There are no apparent plans for further revisions of the software.
-
- In addition, many users have noted that DataFrame drives formatted
- with SuperMac's software do not work properly with a Quadra 950,
- currently Apple's fastest Macintosh. According to a SuperMac tech
- support consultant, the SuperMac SCSI driver installed by the
- Manager software is too slow in responding to the Quadra's access
- attempts. Reformatting the drive with a universal third-party SCSI
- formatting utility, such as Hard Disk Toolkit from FWB, should
- clear up the problem. After the drive is formatted with software
- other than SuperMac's Manager utility, though, the Manager will no
- longer be able to format that drive. Be careful if you have an old
- DataFrame with an OMTI controller since Hard Disk Toolkit (and
- most, if not all, other third party formatting programs) cannot
- successfully format old DataFrames. Unfortunately, we don't know
- how to tell this offhand, but calling DriveSavers or SuperMac
- would be a good start.
-
- DriveSavers -- 415/883-4232
- SuperMac -- 408/245-2202
- FWB -- 415/474-8055
-
- Information from:
- DriveSavers propaganda
- SuperMac Technical Support
-
-
- Hot Spiced Apples
- -----------------
- According to some possibly fallacious statistics I saw recently,
- we at TidBITS moved from the number two apple state, New York, to
- the number one apple state, Washington. In sheer dollar value,
- that may be true, but we aren't terribly impressed yet with
- Washington apples. Why am I blathering about apples? It's fall of
- course, and fall is both apple season and Apple season.
-
- You've all heard about the new machines that Apple has on tap for
- this fall, and we've heard some more details about those. Today
- Apple announced the new Performas. In some respects I think the
- Performas have a good deal of importance for Apple, and in other
- respects I think they're incredibly dull.
-
- I can dispatch the Performa 200 and 400 with a single sentence.
- Think of the Classic II and LC II with a software bundle. Neat,
- eh?
-
-
- Performa 600
- When the Performa 600 ships later in the fall it will carry more
- interesting specs because it mimics the rumored IIvi and IIvx. It
- has a 32 MHz (strange number, no?) 68030, will ship with either 4
- MB or 5 MB of RAM, and include a 160 MB hard disk standard. The
- 600 will also support an multiple-speed internal CD-ROM drive
- which will read multiple-session PhotoCD discs, not that anyone
- has many of those yet. Along with three NuBus slots, the 600 will
- have a processor direct slot (oh no, not another different one!)
- called the Accelerator Slot. Although 512K of VRAM (enough for
- 8-bit color on a 13", and, one assumes, a 14" monitor) for the
- internal video comes with the 600, it will have only an empty
- socket for a math coprocessor, unlike the IIvx which supposedly
- will have both the coprocessor and the cache memory included.
- Finally, Apple encased the 600 in a metal case with screws, like a
- PC-clone, instead of Apple's normal snap-together plastic cases.
- The metal case will save money, and it will certainly reduce
- electromagnetic emissions, but it will also weigh more.
-
-
- New monitors
- You'll have to buy a monitor separately with the 600, but Apple
- has two new ones as well, the Performa Display and the Performa
- Display Plus. Both are 14" color monitors with 640 x 480
- resolution. As far as we can tell, the main differences are the
- dot pitch (essentially a measure of how close the dots are
- together, the smaller the better), the price, and the emission
- levels. The Performa Display will cost less and have a larger 0.39
- mm dot pitch, whereas the Performa Display Plus will have a
- thoroughly respectable 0.29 mm dot pitch and will meet the most
- stringent international guidelines for magnetic field emissions.
- That will cost you, of course, but we don't have prices yet.
- Interestingly, the fact that Apple quoted dot pitch measurements
- implies that they don't use the Sony Trinitron tubes, which, as I
- understand, use different method of drawing pixels that simply
- doesn't jive with the dot pitch measurements. That's why you
- seldom hear about dot pitches in the Mac world. They're much more
- common in the PC world.
-
-
- Bundled software
- Software-wise, the Performas will include a special version of
- System 7 that will supposedly make the Performas easier to use for
- new users. As far as we can tell, though, the new versions of
- System 7.0.1P (for the 200 and 400) and System 7.1P (for the 600)
- lack only the DAL extension and network printer drivers, no great
- help or loss. Apple will also include Launcher, a new program for
- finding and launching pre-installed applications, At Ease, which
- provides a simpler and more secure interface than the Finder for
- launching applications and documents, and some sort of integrated
- software, probably ClarisWorks, GreatWorks, or Quicken. I wonder
- if BeagleWorks or Microsoft Works 3.0 will ever make it into any
- of those bundles? The Performa 600 CD will also ship with between
- eight and ten CD-ROMs, depending on where you buy it.
-
-
- Waffling analysis
- I like the Performas in the sense that they indicate that Apple
- means business and means to compete. I'm sure Apple doesn't make
- much on the profit margins for the Performas, but if they sell as
- Apple has projected into the elusive seven million family home
- market, the overall Macintosh hardware and software markets will
- feel the beneficial results.
-
- On the other hand, the Performas concern me as well. The name,
- which appeared soon after Compaq's Prolinea line, doesn't impress
- me, and I worry a bit about the recycling of technology into a new
- product line via the Classic II and LC II. It shows too that the
- Performa line is primarily a marketing move, although new users
- will welcome some of the new software. As the Macintosh line
- expands, technical support becomes all that much harder due to the
- number of models, especially when utter novices get into programs
- they stand no chance of understanding, like Microsoft Word 5.0 or
- PageMaker 4.2. I also wonder if the Performas will differ enough,
- at least in consumer perceptions, from the current Macintosh line
- to become truly popular.
-
- Technical support policies for Performa owners will differ,
- however, so third parties and dealers won't get hit with the
- majority of the problems. Apple will offer toll-free support for a
- year after purchase, and will optionally do warranty service for
- the first year in the buyer's home. In-home service is stranger
- than in-office service because most people don't stay home all
- day, but users can also return the Mac to the store, which will
- presumably have it fixed there.
-
- [Nonetheless, I expect that technical support people, whether they
- work at small consulting firms or do phone support for large
- software companies will soon be learning some new tricks. I can
- just hear it now: "Hi, my parents bought me a Performa, but my
- roommate put JumboCalc on and it crashes whenever I try to print."
- Still at least we'll be troubleshooting with clueless users on
- 68030 machines and not on 68000s. -Tonya]
-
- Prices will vary greatly since Apple has no suggested retail
- prices for the Performas. Instead each retailer will choose what
- software and peripherals to bundle with the machines and will set
- the price based on those configurations. Apple said they expect
- prices to range from $1,250 for the basic Performa 200 to $2,500
- for a 600 CD without monitor. Nonetheless, these machines will not
- undercut their existing equivalents, so a Classic II or LC II at a
- dealer should cost less than a Performa 200 or 400 at Sears.
-
- I hate to waffle, but I simply don't know enough to predict much
- more about the Performas. I don't believe that anyone really knows
- how they'll do, although I'm sure Apple has researched the issue
- thoroughly. These machines make the IBM PCjr and the PS/1 look
- sick by combining ease of use with a fair amount of real power and
- complete compatibility with existing Mac software. But is that
- enough?
-
- Information from:
- Apple propaganda
- Pythaeus
-
- Related articles:
- MacWEEK -- 14-Sep-92, Vol. 6, #32, pg. 1, 26
-
-
- More Apple News
- ---------------
- New machines certainly take spotlight, but Apple has plenty more
- up its collective sleeve, so we'll try to cover a bit of that
- here.
-
-
- Discontinued...
- With the new machines coming in, Apple will drop the Macintosh
- Classic 4/40 from the price list, along with the SE/30 logic board
- upgrade (too bad, that was a good one for SE owners), the Apple
- ISDN NB Card (guess it wasn't selling to well without many ISDN
- connections available), and as Mark Anbinder reported above, the
- 40 MB Tape Backup Cartridges. I don't have a complete Apple price
- list in front of me, but unless I'm mistaken, the Classic 4/40 was
- the last 68000-based Mac left after Apple dropped the PowerBook
- 100. The 68020-based LC went away when the 68030-based LC II took
- its place, and one way or another, Apple clearly wants to
- standardize all Macs on the 68030 as a minimum. Good for them,
- although they could have done a bit sooner.
-
-
- Serious price cuts
- Mark also passed on news of some serious cuts on the prices that
- Apple charges to dealers. Suggested retail prices have not
- changed, but dealers may be dropping prices now that they are
- paying less for the Macs in the first place. In case you haven't
- recently reviewed retail prices, here's a listing:
-
- Macintosh Classic II 4/40 $1699
- Macintosh Classic II 4/80 $1849
- Macintosh LC II 4/40 $1699
- Macintosh LC II 4/80 w/512K VRAM $1849
- Macintosh IIsi 3/40 $2499
- Macintosh IIsi 5/80 $2999
- Macintosh IIci 5 MB w/Cache Card $3299
- Macintosh IIci 5/80 w/Cache Card $3999
- Macintosh IIci 4/80 Parity $4399
- Macintosh IIci 5/230 w/Cache Card $4599
- Macintosh Quadra 700 4 MB $5199
- Macintosh Quadra 700 4/80 $5899
- Macintosh Quadra 700 4/230 $6499
- Macintosh Quadra 700 4/400 $7199
- Macintosh Quadra 950 8/230 $8499
- Macintosh Quadra 950 8/400 $9199
-
-
- Font Pack!
- Still with me? Good, because here's something you probably haven't
- heard. Apple will soon introduce a package of 25 TrueType font
- families, including most, if not all, of the fonts internal to the
- original LaserWriter Plus. Along with those fonts come a whole
- slew of others, including popular fonts like Garamond and
- Helvetica Condensed. I don't have a full list yet, but the package
- will include both display fonts for headlines and fonts for body
- text. Suggested retail price will be $99, which means that the
- street price will drop to around $60 or $70. The package comes, no
- doubt, in response to the package of TrueType fonts that Microsoft
- sells for Windows. One way or another, I think this package will
- serve as a good introduction to the world of alternate fonts for
- someone scared by Adobe's high prices or the fly-by-night nature
- of some of the other font publishers. Let's hope the quality of
- these fonts meets Apple's usual standards.
-
- Information from:
- Pythaeus
-
-
- Reviews/14-Sep-92
- -----------------
-
- * BYTE -- Aug-92
- PostScript Printers -- pg. 224
- (too many to list)
- Liken -- pg. 257
- Macintosh LC II -- pg. 261
-
- * BYTE -- Sep-92
- MacInStor MACB -- pg. 74
- NetOctopus 1.1 -- pg. 76
- A/UX 3.0 -- pg. 283
- GreatWorks 2.0 -- pg. 285
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